On a serious note; what is this staff?

Deinen

even things like politics
~ @metr0n0me

Ted Cruz is literally Satan.

metr0n0me

@Klitch , can you explain to me why it's sensible to drive away 13-16 year-old players by promoting family-friendly rules when they're the people who spend the most money on the server?

We cannot cater to everyone--making the server all-inclusive and "catering to all ages" is a nice idea on paper, but ultimately it doesn't work, especially when you're trying to make money.

PhoenixPuppy

On a "serious note".

There is no need for cussing, disrespectful, and or overly rude language.

However, there is also no set rules nor can there be to prevent that from happening. You give a bunch of 13 year olds power to kick and ban at their "discretion", of which they have limited experience doing; I'm not really sure what you expect.

Skaros123

https://youtu.be/SOI7g8qq9uk

metr0n0me

However, there is also no set rules nor can there be to prevent that from happening. You give a bunch of 13 year olds power to kick and ban at their "discretion", of which they have limited experience doing; I'm not really sure what you expect.
~ @PhoenixPuppy

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by this; can you elaborate?

Deinen

https://youtu.be/SOI7g8qq9uk
~ @Skaros123

That's sexual

....

I think?

Skaros123

That's sexual
....
I think?
~ @Deinen

Nothing sexual about North Koreans. Tisk tisk.

Skaros123

https://youtu.be/XSRUmRYrRLY
~ @Deinen

We need more anime in politics.

https://youtu.be/FrVYD2Ac6nM

Deinen

On a serious note;

Both sides are not correct.

There is no need for blatant and obtuse language/topics, however there is also no need for micro-moderating every small thing. Controversial shouldn't be the litmus test for inappropriateness. You really just need to utilize common sense, it's really that easy. I did it, so I really know, using simple common sense is super easy.

nhjed

oh god what is this thread

metr0n0me

What is rude about sexual humor?

I disagree, I think sexual humour is inappropriate and shouldn't necessarily be allowed. However, I would like to see more moderator discretion before banning for language or shutting down conversations, as opposed to hard and flat punishments.

There is no need for blatant and obtuse language/topics,

~ @Deinen

I reiterate that I'm not advocating for the legality of "blatant and obtuse language/topics." Read the above post.

Toostenheimer

I don't know if it's just me, but I always cringe at threads like these.

Now, I'm not specifically targeting you nhjed, but there's people who purposely try to go around in sexual humor. Staff catch on and punish those who do. The ones who receive the punishment get upset over it because they're punished over going around a rule.

Chill, it was only 30 minutes. That's enough time for you to go play something else. Go socialize. This is the Internet. Grow up.

interdesirename

I believe if we all stop using sex refs we would all be better people. I for one need to do this.

PhoenixPuppy

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by this; can you elaborate?
~ @metr0n0me

The servers way to address vulgar language and or minor infractions not listed in the rules is to leave it up to the Moderators "discretion". Which mean it can very from mod to mod. One Mod may have seen the "i'm going to pop your mom" post and thought nothing of it. While another 13 year old mod that has no idea what he meant by it decides he's just going to ban him assuming the context of the post was sexual or slander. (Not pointing out any mods or anything, just making a statement) One moderator may find something more offensive than the players themselves. Leaving things like that up to their "discretion" is only asking for troubles.

Verbal warnings should have been issued, and or kicks, before any kind of temp-ban was placed (in my opinion). Personally I would have issued a verbal warning followed by a kick if what I believed to be sexual content did not stop after the verbal warning. A 30minute ban would have been issued if the player continued to ignore the warnings given.

Skaros123

Ted Cruz is literally Satan.
~ @Deinen

We need more anime in politics.

https://youtu.be/nBmW9oDJDCI

Deinen

I reiterate that I'm not advocating for the legality of "blatant and obtuse language/topics." Read the above post.
~ @metr0n0me

I wasn't referring to you. There is blame on both sides, really.

You have children who push the limits just to push the limits, which triggers a harsher and harsher respond by the moderation team.

The solution is: Staff need to ease up and let the atmosphere be enjoyable, even if it's a little harsher for people to read. Kids need to stop thinking they have to be vulgar and curse. It doesn't matter if MeepCraft isn't a classroom, bible study, ..., ...

It's a business with customers, and one should try to let the customers have their way as much as reasonably possible. Is prohibiting someone talking about Greek Mythology (just an example) worth limiting your customer? Is stopping some brief history discussion worth hassling your customers over, especially if nobody gets hurt?

Quite frankly, though, it's their server and they can do what they wish with it, they do the work. However banning is literally the most destructive punitive action to use, because it removes customers.

Fuzzlr

Think about it this way, using inappropriate language is a choice but being exposed to inappropriate language is not really a choice. Many more people would be turned away by the use of inappropriate language than by our policing of it. There are many mature things to discuss that don't require inappropriate language.

I 100% disagree with your business logic, @metr0n0me, allowing inappropriate language throughout the server would be extremely unprofessional and would definitely be unappealing for many people who wish to invest their time and money in the game.

If you wish to use inappropriate language you still can, in a private channel. There are many times in life when sexual language or swearing is appropriate, but not on global channels that broadcast to an entire community of players.

Fuzzlr

Fuzz, please work on giving us party chat so I can invite all ten of my friends on at one time. They want to hear my joke and I want to tell it to them, so it can happen without upsetting other people.

Group chats are already on the list of things to be developed.

Deinen

Are we not allowed to curse in case we don't corrupt the minds of the kids who curse?

Your argument is moot, vulgarity is not a necessity. In fact, outside of "children" it provides a very abrasive atmosphere for adults too, and they, by far, provide the most to this server.

My overall point is that it's not one sided, there is a middle ground. Sometimes staff (not saying this staff, or this instance) do, over time, become harsher in their interpretation and sometimes needs a re-evaluation, and it's something that should always be cautioned for, really.

While shutting down semi-controversial but legitimate topics may be a step too far on the moderation side, so is the outright push to allow vulgarity in obscene forms.

Deinen

Yeah...that was a joke considering you said that kids curse, and the point (whether or not true) that we can't curse as so children do not see it and their innocence is taken.
so, yes, that was satire, essentially

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