You can't ignore it for ever

fasehed

This is not to start a flame war but rather bring attention to the growing problem that staff refuse to notice. That we have an intense hacker problem.

Sources: @Cherrykit @Cookieman513 and https://youtu.be/Pg2WeUaT9iA https://youtu.be/T-fQFnVhiCM https://youtu.be/YkwQvVUYgDI

So let's explain the problem so that you can know what I am talking about. Meepcraft has an insane hacking issue, heck I'v seen people fly hacking at spawn. This is worst in kitpvp, the videos I posted in sources can show just a FRACTION of all the hackers I run into. When playing kitpvp it's impossible to play for more than 10 minutes without running into a hacker. @Cherrykit was helping with this, she is my speed dial when it comes to hackers because she knows that its a growing problem. Any way she told me in ts that she banned 20 hackers in 10 minutes and the night before @Cookieman513 banned about 15 in 10 minutes.

I love to make fun of mineplex's anti cheat but then I stop because I realize ours isn't even as good as MINEPLEXS!!!!! Kids are landing hits with 20 cps 7 block reaction kill aura while loving huzinis no slow down and using auto soup.

Our biggest problem is wurst. Sure hackers are gonna be on every server, but what's weird about our hackers is 10 seconds after one is banned a new one is on. This is because of the wurst clients. While yes many clients have alt switchers and stuff using wurst you can create thousands. With many staff needing three examples of evidence we will have hackers for 20-40 minutes until the hacker gets board.

What's worst are staff refuse to believe it. I was on TS and asked @KlutchDecals to put me into a room with him. he was by himself in a staff room yet still didn't join a room with only me and him. He says he will speak to me once he gets on in 5 minutes. Guess what an hour passes and he's in game but didn't even try and contact me. I had to poke him when I saw him later. I told him about wurst and he said it wasn't possible when I have even used it on other servers. Later I try to speak to @CyborgZeroX in TS

As far as I know we don't even have proper anti cheat but just basic server things like anti x ray and un enabling flying. I'm not tech or server developer but is it that hard to install http://dev.bukkit.org/bukkit-plugins/antiaura/ or https://www.spigotmc.org/resources/anti-killaura.14224/

I hope that staff see this or if not that other players see this and realize that we have a problem.

"Courage isn't what it takes to stand up and speak to people courage is what it takes to sit down and listen to people" -unknown

Klitch

Anti-Cheat is unreliable, very glitchy, and laggy. While yes we do have hackers on a daily basis, it is not out of staff's way to come to kitpvp and gather proof.

XxNine_TailsxX

Yes they can and yes they will

The_Unkown675

That was blink, if it was lag you would have seen the sprint paticles

CyborgZeroX

I said i would look into it. I was working on a project when you messaged me. @fasehed

You didn't even wait a day for me to get back to you.

Muunkee

They aren't rlly ignoring it tho
Try doing a modreq or record them yourself if you're gonna be this impatient

_Smarties910_

They're not ignoring it.

]As far as I know[/B] we don't even have proper anti cheat but just basic server things like anti x ray and un enabling flying. I'm not tech or server developer

Exactly.

_Smarties910_

As far as I know we don't even have proper anti cheat but just basic server things like anti x ray and un enabling flying. I'm not tech or server developer but is it that hard to install
~ @fasehed

Exactly. You're not tech or server developer, and your knowledge to these kinds of things is limited, you have no idea what they're doing about this issue.

Kling

This is not an ignored problem we are banning players regularly for hacking.

I suggest to create a thread reaching out to the community to record hackers and report them for when staff are unable to get to the situation. We help you out you help us out, wouldn't that make life much easier?

Bloopers

you have no idea man
you have no idea
i have over 100 recorded hackers that i don't even bother uploading
because it wastes my time

to anyone who is a hacker: why? no one wins when you cheat.

fasehed

I said i would look into it. I was working on a project when you messaged me. @fasehed
You didn't even wait a day for me to get back to you.
~ @CyborgZeroX

Ok thank you, guess I was just being impatient.

This is not an ignored problem we are banning players regularly for hacking.
I suggest to create a thread reaching out to the community to record hackers and report them for when staff are unable to get to the situation. We help you out you help us out, wouldn't that make life much easier?
~ @Kling

That's the problem, I'm gonna tell you a quote from a great man, this might be a little drastic but its very relatable.
"Freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed." Martain Luther King

Yeah were maintaining the problem, kinda but we aren't asking for change, yeah @Klitch says anti cheat is laggy and un trust worthy, so were gonna give up there? Lets think, do you want staff spending time banning hackers or do we want staff to help new players?

They aren't rlly ignoring it tho
Try doing a modreq or record them yourself if you're gonna be this impatient
~ @Muunkee

I'v been doing that for litteraly years, ever since I started meep, but that's all weve been doing, reporting/recording then a little 7 day ban.

Exactly. You're not tech or server developer, and your knowledge to these kinds of things is limited, you have no idea what they're doing about this issue.
~ @_Smarties910_

Yeah I know that's why I said I am no tech, and that's why I want to bring awareness to this and if it is aware stress the problem, quite honestly that was a pointless confrontational comment that over all was unneeded since I already addressed I'm not sure

me64

We should have kitpvp mods :D

fasehed

Yep

We should have kitpvp mods :D
~ @me64

Cherrykit

We should have kitpvp mods :D
~ @me64

Having separate staff to moderate only kitpvp would make little sense, as all staff are currently able to record and ban them accordingly.
If we had separate pvp staff we would ideally need someone online all the day, meaning there would need to be quite a few new pvp staff members/staff members who decide to be pvp staff members.
Also they would not be able to do other cases for staff when there are no hackers, even if there isn't anyone in pvp at a given time. The other way around, if there are normal staff members online but no one from the pvp staff team, hackers would be able to get away unpunished.
All in all this would end in the staff team being split in two and it is unnecessary as all staff members can currently do the job.

Regarding the issue addressed in the thread - yes there are a lot of hackers, but you can always report them and they will be banned. And yes it can get a bit stressful on some days, but it really isn't too big of an issue unless there are no staff members online.

Klitch

Lets think, do you want staff spending time banning hackers or do we want staff to help new players?
~ @fasehed

We do both :)

Kling

That's the problem, I'm gonna tell you a quote from a great man, this might be a little drastic but its very relatable.
"Freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed." Martain Luther King
~ @fasehed

What has freedom and Martin Luther Kling got to do with banning hackers?
I dont know what to say haha

builderjunkie012

you have no idea man
you have no idea
i have over 100 recorded hackers that i don't even bother uploading
because it wastes my time
to anyone who is a hacker: why? no one wins when you cheat.
~ @Bloopers

It takes anywhere from 5 to 30 minutes normally to ban a single hacker.
It takes less than 60 seconds to swap accounts, whether they are through a client or public list alts, and rejoin the server
Waste of time indeed

Toostenheimer

That's the problem, I'm gonna tell you a quote from a great man, this might be a little drastic but its very relatable.
"Freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed." Martain Luther King
~ @fasehed

You're making no sense at this point.

fasehed

You're making no sense at this point.
~ @Toostenheimer

We arnt trying to solve the problem were only maintain the problem. There not gonna stop until we tell them to stop, in this case telling them to stop is doing something more than just a 7 day ban

Kling

We arnt trying to solve the problem were only maintain the problem. There not gonna stop until we tell them to stop, in this case telling them to stop is doing something more than just a 7 day ban
~ @fasehed

Instead of giving them a 7 day ban with the message KitPvP Hacking [1st Offence] and if they come back to hack its a perm ban, we can ask them nicely please stop hacking.