Infected Minigame Suggestions

The_Unkown675

Yep, not reading this any time soon.

ajlpikachu

@Acceleradiance Yeah, more permanent grenades or arrows would be nice for each round.

builderjunkie012

can we not touch the sharpness of bat and wolf
sharp 2 is like a gold pickaxe
sharp 4 is like a stone sword
Why don't we just give rank 20s prot X diamond and sharpness L while we're at it

ajlpikachu

@builderjunkie012 I know you are being sarcastic about the diamond armor part but consider this. Kits are meant to be fair and around the same level, with each one having their own strengths and weaknesses. Bat and Wolf Kits do not have these weaknesses. They have a very small hitbox which is difficult to combat against and have the added benefit of having a weapon that is similar to a stone/iron sword. The reason why the sharpness needs to be lowered is that the kit is very inherently unfair towards the players. If you don't think they need to be touched, just fight someone who is insanely good at pvp with the bat/wolf kit. You get melted faster than butter on a hot summer day xD

builderjunkie012

@builderjunkie012 I know you are being sarcastic about the diamond armor part but consider this. Kits are meant to be fair and around the same level, with each one having their own strengths and weaknesses. Bat and Wolf Kits do not have these weaknesses. They have a very small hitbox which is difficult to combat against and have the added benefit of having a weapon that is similar to a stone/iron sword. The reason why the sharpness needs to be lowered is that the kit is very inherently unfair towards the players. If you don't think they need to be touched, just fight someone who is insanely good at pvp with the bat/wolf kit. You get melted faster than butter on a hot summer day xD
~ @ajlpikachu

Wolves are not hard to kill and bats do pitiful damage already

Qaztar

I don't play a lot of infected, but if this is added I may play. +1

ajlpikachu

@builderjunkie012 Okay, let me give you the statistics. Sharpness 4 on a regular item can inflict from 1 heart to 2 hearts of damage. Sharpness 5 on a regular item can inflict from 1 heart to 2 hearts of damage. This is all calculated on iron armor. A stone sword only does 1 heart of damage. This is all calculated without critical hits. Now, let's assume that we all want the kits to be fair, with each of their own weaknesses and strengths. The Bat and Wolf kit are very unfair because with luck, a Rank 20 player could be killed in five hits... By decreasing their hit damage, Sharpness 2 does .5 to 1 heart of damage. Sharpness 3 does .5 to 1.5 hearts of damage. By decreasing the damage, the damage still is very high. However, it is no longer an unreasonable amount of damage that can be done. If you want to convert the total damage from full iron armor to full leather, multiply each damage integer by 2. So the sharpness 5 could do up to 5 hearts of damage on a non critical hit towards someone with leather armor. I'm sorry, but that does not seem reasonable nor fair to me.Also, one more thing. A gold pickaxe only does .5 hearts on leather armor... It's similar to a fist used on someone with full iron xD

builderjunkie012

@builderjunkie012 Okay, let me give you the statistics. Sharpness 4 on a regular item can inflict from 1 heart to 2 hearts of damage. Sharpness 5 on a regular item can inflict from 1 heart to 2 hearts of damage. This is all calculated on iron armor. A stone sword only does 1 heart of damage. This is all calculated without critical hits. Now, let's assume that we all want the kits to be fair, with each of their own weaknesses and strengths. The Bat and Wolf kit are very unfair because with luck, a Rank 20 player could be killed in five hits... By decreasing their hit damage, Sharpness 2 does .5 to 1 heart of damage. Sharpness 3 does .5 to 1.5 hearts of damage. By decreasing the damage, the damage still is very high. However, it is no longer an unreasonable amount of damage that can be done. If you want to convert the total damage from full iron armor to full leather, multiply each damage integer by 2. So the sharpness 5 could do up to 5 hearts of damage on a non critical hit towards someone with leather armor. I'm sorry, but that does not seem reasonable nor fair to me.Also, one more thing. A gold pickaxe only does .5 hearts on leather armor... It's similar to a fist used on someone with full iron xD
~ @ajlpikachu

You forgot to mention that rank 20s also get iron swords and tons of heart refill items.
The wolf only has a bone
and gets 3-4 hits per life from a stone sword.
I still don't see how this is op. Just aim down when you attack wolves or do Fn(if mac)+ f3+b to enable hotboxes and you can tell where to hit the wolf
Also, no, Irons do not get 5 hit by the wolf kit, on average they get dealt 2-3 points of damage which translates to 1-1.5 hearts per hit. Ive ran damage indicators on a sharp V item while on a private server to test this.

ajlpikachu

So it's still similar to a stone sword. My entire argument for reducing sharpness is to reduce it to a reasonable amount. With the small hitbox size, the sharpness should be lowered. Also, the entire thing with the sharpness range is that protection doesn't always limit a set amount. It is possible to do more damage than 1.5 hearts with sharp 5, it's just less likely for you in iron armor to take the full damage.Also, that small hitbox size such as bat is nearly impossible to hit when it's in grass... Also, it's completely possible to overwhelm or kill someone with rank 20. I've seen it happen multiple times and have had it happen to me.

KlutchDecals

I mean. . . Wow. Accepted.

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