Survival

metr0n0me

I apologize, spigot has built in functions for anti-xraying.
+1
Pay is null because there is no economy in this server. Tpa defeats the point of the challenge, which this game-mode is designed to provide. /home would be taken care of by essentials, and a bed.
Any rule in towny that enforces deals, or agreements with other players is null and void in this world, you literally must trust nobody to be safe. Theft, grief, scamming would be allowed, as the policy would be "Do so at your own risk"
IE: You find someone that wants to trade 5 iron for 2 diamonds, and you show up. He kills you, takes your things - This would be legal, because you were at fault for trusting that stranger. Imagine this game-mode as the wild west.
Things akin to language would be enforced for the most part, perhaps local / world being less restrictive, however this may cause issues and not worth arguing over the details.
~ @Deinen

metr0n0me

I apologize, spigot has built in functions for anti-xraying.
+1
Pay is null because there is no economy in this server. Tpa defeats the point of the challenge, which this game-mode is designed to provide. /home would be taken care of by essentials, and a bed.
Any rule in towny that enforces deals, or agreements with other players is null and void in this world, her. And if we you literally must trust nobody to be safe. Theft, grief, scamming would be allowed, as the policy would be "Do so at your own risk"
IE: You find someone that wants to trade 5 iron for 2 diamonds, and you show up. He kills you, takes your things - This would be legal, because you were at fault for trusting that stranger. Imagine this game-mode as the wild west.
Things akin to language would be enforced for the most part, perhaps local / world being less restrictive, however this may cause issues and not worth arguing over the details.
~ @Deinen

Just a few questions.

I think tpa should be enabled, as new players often come with friends, and not letting friends play with each other would be a big turnoff. I remember as a new player with a friend named Pierrot3, we used to mine together in wild. In order to do so, we'd have to random teleport close to each other msg each other the coords, and then walk 3000 blocks to see each other. And if we died, it would take us another hour to find each other. I remember suggesting to the mods to give tpa to citizens (they finally did, thank god).

If you were thinking about factions in this world, would we allow /f claim and world guarded faction lands? I think this would defeat the purpose of this world.

Muunkee

MineCraft has a built in anti-xray mechanism.
No tpa, homes would be set by resting in a bed, skin to Vanilla MineCraft.
~ @Deinen

Well I mean, it's completely possible for staff to have their staff-only plugins, so they can still catch X-ray'ers.

metr0n0me

Well I mean, it's completely possible for staff to have their staff-only plugins, so they can still catch X-ray'ers.
~ @Muunkee

It is a lot harder than one would think to block X-ray. Some hacked clients allow you to turn off certain blocks when X-ray is toggled, so you could turn off all the ores, turn on wood planks, and voila! spawners.

Though I doubt this would be a problem as not many elite+ would use this world.

Deinen

+1 to the idea, but after a while it will get very griefed and demolished. Maybe reset it once per year or something?
~ @metr0n0me

Just a few questions.
I think tpa should be enabled, as new players often come with friends, and not letting friends play with each other would be a big turnoff. I remember as a new player with a friend named Pierrot3, we used to mine together in wild. In order to do so, we'd have to random teleport close to each other msg each other the coords, and then walk 3000 blocks to see each other. And if we died, it would take us another hour to find each other. I remember suggesting to the mods to give tpa to citizens (they finally did, thank god).
If you were thinking about factions in this world, would we allow /f claim and world guarded faction lands? I think this would defeat the purpose of this world.
~ @metr0n0me

I'll agree to disagree with the tpa - However, as far as "Factions" go, it would simply be: Do you have enough friends you trust to build a secure, and guarded spot? Can you then defend this spot against other people? If not - You lose your stuff, or if you add in someone who isn't trustworthy - You lose your stuff.

- I would disagree with any plugins safe-guarding any area at all, or plugins swaying gameplay from a simple survival mode. However, I have talked to quite a number of players who would want factions, and the majority agreed that this would be a sufficient compromise to achieve their game-play desires.

n00bslayer_99

Edit: Look at almost all major servers, they all have Survival game-modes. New players will instantly see Survival and gravitate towards it, and not Wild (which they assume is survival but it's not)
~ @Deinen

So what will set our survival apart from the ones on almost all major servers??

metr0n0me

I'll agree to disagree with the tpa - However, as far as "Factions" go, it would simply be: Do you have enough friends you trust to build a secure, and guarded spot? Can you then defend this spot against other people? If not - You lose your stuff, or if you add in someone who isn't trustworthy - You lose your stuff.
- I would disagree with any plugins safe-guarding any area at all, or plugins swaying gameplay from a simple survival mode. However, I have talked to quite a number of players who would want factions, and the majority agreed that this would be a sufficient compromise to achieve their game-play desires.
~ @Deinen

So a "secure and guarded spot" would technically be raidable at any point, correct? So this would be less of a "factions" style gameplay than vanilla? I mean, after all it just comes down to what you want to call it--sorry if I'm beimg nitpicky.

Deinen

It is a lot harder than one would think to block X-ray. Some hacked clients allow you to turn off certain blocks when X-ray is toggled, so you could turn off all the ores, turn on wood planks, and voila! spawners.
Though I doubt this would be a problem as not many elite+ would use this world.
~ @metr0n0me

Additionally, due to the nature of game, if someone logged in to find suspicious things leading them to thing someone x-rayed to get to their stuff, I know this can be easily determined by staff, and I would support a refund in this cases, akin to theft/grief in MeepCraft.

Staff could take a lesson from H1Z1 and additionally just wipe a cheater's entire base, or open it up so anyone can go get things from it. Due to the size of the map, and the low amount of players MeepCraft has, an extremely powerful player/group across the map affects the player holed up in a mountain significantly, so balance is much less of an issue.

metr0n0me

Additionally, a spawm would be nice to explain rules to new players; we got a lot of modreqs about "help my wild base got grieved!"

Deinen

So what will set our survival apart from the ones on almost all major servers??
~ @n00bslayer_99

Fortunately, this game is designed in a way that accepts the truth, our mini-games don't really bring in many players. Therefor it's designed to enhanced gameplay for existing players. The good thing is that we certainly have a mini-game that is down, with it's resources not being used. This game-mode is an extremely lightweight game-mode that can simply take the place of a broken mini-game (can't be played), all the while requiring very little maintenance overall, no dev is ever really needed, and also bears a minimal workload on the staff as is.

Additionally, a spawm would be nice to explain rules to new players; we got a lot of modreqs about "help my wild base got grieved!"
~ @metr0n0me

Rules should be distributed using existing mechanics, such as /rules, /guide, or /help - which ultimately link you to the rules section on the MeepCraft forums from ingame.

Muunkee

It is a lot harder than one would think to block X-ray. Some hacked clients allow you to turn off certain blocks when X-ray is toggled, so you could turn off all the ores, turn on wood planks, and voila! spawners.
Though I doubt this would be a problem as not many elite+ would use this world.
~ @metr0n0me

It can be tracked the same way they do it currently.

The_Unkown675

If I can't fly, -1

Epicdude141

If I can't fly, -1
~ @The_Unkown675

lol this.

smk

I don't see how this gamemode could be considered fun. The way I see it, it would be more rage inducing then anything else. Builders can't build because of the free griefing, you honestly can't build a house unless you have someone online 24/7 to defend it. All the bases would be underground, nothing would be safe. What is fun to me about survival in single player is that you can do whatever you want, and you can be 100% safe with all your items. This has about 0 safety for anybody, and you will often see people raging.

I don't see how anyone considers this factions or can even relate it to it. With this idea, there would be no raiding. Want to raid this base? Why do that when you can just mine into it. There is no way anything could be fun for me when all you do is just free for anyone to screw up.

Qaztar

Sure! Sounds pretty fun, except for one small thing that I don't really know how it could be fixed: One group would become superior, and make it difficult for new players to start. Otherwise, 10/10!

Deinen

Sure! Sounds pretty fun, except for one small thing that I don't really know how it could be fixed: One group would become superior, and make it difficult for new players to start. Otherwise, 10/10!
~ @Qaztar

This is a concern, but I think can be remedied by including a fairly large map size. One group 5000+ blocks away from you is quite far, and you may not even find out there is a group there, let alone the biggest/most powerful.

I don't see how this gamemode could be considered fun. The way I see it, it would be more rage inducing then anything else. Builders can't build because of the free griefing, you honestly can't build a house unless you have someone online 24/7 to defend it. All the bases would be underground, nothing would be safe. What is fun to me about survival in single player is that you can do whatever you want, and you can be 100% safe with all your items. This has about 0 safety for anybody, and you will often see people raging.
I don't see how anyone considers this factions or can even relate it to it. With this idea, there would be no raiding. Want to raid this base? Why do that when you can just mine into it. There is no way anything could be fun for me when all you do is just free for anyone to screw up.
~ @smk

Yes, this is not intended to be a easy farm mode like towny, or skyblock. This game will be hard, and you'll be playing with a challenge every moment, and you may very well lose all your things multiple times if you're not careful. The challenge in this game-mode is the draw, in my personal opinion. You have to earn what you have, then keep it safe, a daunting task.

Qaztar

This is a concern, but I think can be remedied by including a fairly large map size. One group 5000+ blocks away from you is quite far, and you may not even find out there is a group there, let alone the biggest/most powerful.
Yes, this is not intended to be a easy farm mode like towny, or skyblock. This game will be hard, and you'll be playing with a challenge every moment, and you may very well lose all your things multiple times if you're not careful. The challenge in this game-mode is the draw, in my personal opinion. You have to earn what you have, then keep it safe, a daunting task.
~ @Deinen

Good idea! Yeah just a massive map.

shains

I don't see how this gamemode could be considered fun. The way I see it, it would be more rage inducing then anything else. Builders can't build because of the free griefing, you honestly can't build a house unless you have someone online 24/7 to defend it. All the bases would be underground, nothing would be safe. What is fun to me about survival in single player is that you can do whatever you want, and you can be 100% safe with all your items. This has about 0 safety for anybody, and you will often see people raging.
~ @smk

that's the purpose. there's not supposed to be safety. that's what survival is.

K scheik

Dein, what difficulty do you propose for this? IMO, Hard is the best choice as it makes the game a little harder and that's what people need; more of a challenge, as mobs and everything is way too easy already. A hardcore mode would be fun, but that would likely bring in lots of toxicity and anger. Perhaps natural regeneration could be turned off? Survival mode in itself is a cinch once you get iron armor, let alone the gear that some people might be getting. Limited /tpa should be allowed, it should be just so you can play with your friends (it is a server, after all). This would no doubt be a fun mode and would bring in many players. +1

I think overall, this should be a challenging game-mode.
~ @Deinen

Vanilla in itself isn't challenging; regardless of whether or not it is hardcore mode (Hardcore doesn't make anything harder, just doesn't let you respawn), a mode like this would be a cinch except for PvP.

Deinen

Dein, what difficulty do you propose for this? IMO, Hard is the best choice as it makes the game a little harder and that's what people need; more of a challenge, as mobs and everything is way too easy already. A hardcore mode would be fun, but that would likely bring in lots of toxicity and anger. Perhaps natural regeneration could be turned off? Survival mode in itself is a cinch once you get iron armor, let alone the gear that some people might be getting. Limited /tpa should be allowed, it should be just so you can play with your friends (it is a server, after all). This would no doubt be a fun mode and would bring in many players. +1
~ @K scheik

I think overall, this should be a challenging game-mode.

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