Meeble Ceiling

hardegat

What if there was a maximum balance that everyone could have? This might be a terrible idea but I’m giving it a shot anyways. There could either be a maximum server-wide limit or it could be based on rank with set increments the higher the rank. I’m going to use a 10 000 000 meeble limit for everyone for arguments sake. Towns and nations could follow the same system and should have the same limit as the owner, for example 10mil for player, 10mil for town and 10mil for nation. This is up for debate of course and towns or nations could have higher limits or whatever seems to be fitting.

My thinking is this…
If there is a limit on your meeble balance it would force you to invest in valuables like gold, diamonds etc. so that you do not lose any profits after hitting the 10mil mark. It would also help with the supply/demand problem of things like gold where everyone is mainly selling and not buying. The bank could then actually be used more often by players depositing and withdrawing funds as needed.

What about current player balances?
Give a month’s notice before it would be implemented to give them a chance to invest their money elsewhere. Then wipe any balances down to 10mil if they do not comply by the determined date.

Pros?

Hopefully solving some of the issues regarding money in and out of the server.
Make gold trading more realistic and an actual investment.
People will stop complaining about the richer players because there won’t be a number value to their fortune easily obtainable.

Cons?

Might backfire and inflate/deflate values by extreme margins.
People are fond of their balances and /baltop standings and might complain.
Spiteful/ragequitting players may cause havoc by selling all their stockpiled valuables at once. (Could be prevented by putting a limit on daily transaction amount)

Any thoughts would be appreciated. Any more pros or cons that you can think of? Suggestions on how to overcome the cons?

Toostenheimer

Why did you even come up with this idea? If there was a ceiling for meebles, then people who own shops, sell items face to face, etc. Can't make money.

SillySilver

-1, just no...there are so many cons that list would go around the world for milloin times. And I think this is unnecessary.

hardegat

Why did you even come up with this idea? If there was a ceiling for meebles, then people who own shops, sell items face to face, etc. Can't make money.
~ @Toostenheimer

How would they not make money?

Your balance just can't go beyond for example 10mil. So before reaching the limit you buy gold and store it. If your balance goes too low to your liking just go exchange your gold for meebles and bring it back up? Quite simple..

n00bslayer_99

This would work well if....
#BringBackVShop2K15

EDIT: Also, this would make it easier for new players to make money. They mine diamonds, gold or iron and the rich buy it. It works in favour of new players while rich players don't loose anything.

Toostenheimer

This would work well if....
#BringBackVShop2K15

GroovyGrevous

no use :/ -1

n00bslayer_99

no use :/ -1
~ @GroovyGrevous

This would work well if....
#BringBackVShop2K15

EDIT: Also, this would make it easier for new players to make money. They mine diamonds, gold or iron and the rich buy it. It works in favour of new players while rich players don't loose anything.

It does have a use. Makes it easier for new players to make money.

epick8

Makes no sense. 20m player invests 10 mill of his items into stuff, then what?He can't sell them because he would go over 10million meebles. You are forcing higher balanced people to buy items and get nothing in return which is extremely unfair.

Pros?
Hopefully solving some of the issues regarding money in and out of the server.
Make gold trading more realistic and an actual investment.
People will stop complaining about the richer players because there won’t be a number value to their fortune easily obtainable.
~ @hardegat

1) will solve no problems in and out of the server because it will be largely kept player to player. Players buy and sell for a majority of the time at higher and lower (respectively)
2) Gold is as realistic and an actual investment already. There are a ton of shops and players(including myself) that buy gold. How does this idea improve on the gold aspect? Because more people buy and sell gold doesnt make it any less or more realistic.
3) People will still be rich and people will still be poor. And trust me, those rich people will know exactly how much they invest. A calculator + piece of paper+15 minutes is all that is needed.

So basically, I don't see this as helpful. It steals from the rich and gives to the poor in a very unfair manner.

CaptaineAli

This ain't a bad idea imo.

Of course there would be problems, but it would actually make being rich a challenge. But if it was to happen, we would need a way to know how much gold ingots/blocks everyone has and somehow have that included in their /baltop balance. This would remove your 2nd con and allow allow people to realistically invest in gold (People would hate to invest in gold to allow them to trade more). Also, I think Gold would need to become an official currency that players use to trade with. Overall, it is a good idea, but I think it would be rather hard to implement without having it fail.

2) Gold is as realistic and an actual investment already. There are a ton of shops and players(including myself) that buy gold. How does this idea improve on the gold aspect? Because more people buy and sell gold doesnt make it any less or more realistic.
~ @epick8

How often do people do this? When I played, no one ever invested into gold. And Over a year ago, I had chest filled with diamonds and emeralds (40M meebles worth) but never had much gold, besides using gold blocks for designs.

hardegat

Makes no sense. 20m player invests 10 mill of his items into stuff, then what?He can't sell them because he would go over 10million meebles. You are forcing higher balanced people to buy items and get nothing in return which is extremely unfair.
~ @epick8

Why do you need more than 10mil meebles at any one point in time other than bragging rights? And it is not like you don't still have your 20mil, only half of it is invested. Admin is always complaining about the amount of new meebles in the economy, this helps reduce that albeit artificially.

1) will solve no problems in and out of the server because it will be largely kept player to player. Players buy and sell for a majority of the time at higher and lower (respectively)
~ @epick8

Don't quite get your point here?

2) Gold is as realistic and an actual investment already. There are a ton of shops and players(including myself) that buy gold. How does this idea improve on the gold aspect? Because more people buy and sell gold doesnt make it any less or more realistic.
~ @epick8

A ton of shops/players, really? The only reason anyone buys gold off players is to sell it later to the bank when it's worth more. More people buying/selling gold gives more of a value to the gold in increases and decreases in it's price instead of the current model of everyone just waiting for it to gradually degrade into worthlessness and for admin to reset it's value...

3) People will still be rich and people will still be poor. And trust me, those rich people will know exactly how much they invest. A calculator + piece of paper+15 minutes is all that is needed.
~ @epick8

That is my point exactly. Only the investor will know his net worth. Not every Tom, Dick and Harry that can type /baltop. This will avoid constant bickering and loathing of one another on the forums as well as in game on players claiming it's unfair how rich some people are.

MCRichHuey

As one of the two players with 10x your maximum balance, I don't agree with this idea. I already have stacks and stacks of diamonds, gold, and other valuable items sitting in chests that are not part of my /baltop balance. I have a balanced portfolio of items, and I enjoy the liquidity of having Meebles as opposed to chests full of items that I will never use. On a regular basis, I run events and give away Meebles to other players, and if I were limited to 10 million, every time I wanted to do a giveaway, I would have to sell off a bunch of items afterward to bring my balance back up.

-1

chaos546

I see two things that mess this up.

Town Banks and Alt Accounts.

metr0n0me

Can't people just use alts and get around this?

-1

hardegat

I see two things that mess this up.
Town Banks and Alt Accounts.
~ @chaos546

Yeah sure, but it is not really a work around as they are only creating more effort for themselves. The reasoning behind this not to prevent anyone from having more than 10mil but to force them to rather invest their money in gold etc. before hitting 10mil. So you will have upto 10mil in meebles maximum at any moment and an unlimited amount of assets. And your assests are just things waiting to be converted to currency at any time. Thus it is not a restriction just a different system.

Can't people just use alts and get around this?
-1
~ @metr0n0me

See above.

As one of the two players with 10x your maximum balance, I don't agree with this idea. I already have stacks and stacks of diamonds, gold, and other valuable items sitting in chests that are not part of my /baltop balance. I have a balanced portfolio of items, and I enjoy the liquidity of having Meebles as opposed to chests full of items that I will never use. On a regular basis, I run events and give away Meebles to other players, and if I were limited to 10 million, every time I wanted to do a giveaway, I would have to sell off a bunch of items afterward to bring my balance back up.
-1
~ @MCRichHuey

I see your standpoint and understand your reasoning. But to be fair there are very few players with that kind of resources and to only think of their needs or rather, convenience, over the majority of players is sort of anti-progression. Think of the bigger picture if everyone used this system and if it wouldn't mostly benefit all of the server? Not just inconvenience a few..?

This is a mere thought that I had and thanks for raising the first legitimate concern regarding the suggestion instead of just saying "NO - for a million reasons"

MCRichHuey

And your assets are just things waiting to be converted to currency at any time. Thus it is not a restriction just a different system.
~ @hardegat

The only problem with this is that you CANNOT immediately turn assets into currency without a central system like MeepShop that will buy anything. You are reliant on other players being willing to buy your assets in exchange for Meebles, and sadly, most players aren't interested in buying, only in selling.

There are bigger issues to be solved in the Meep economy than capping the maximum amount of currency a player can have. I like the fact that more people are thinking about the economy and offering suggestions, though, so keep them coming!

hardegat

The only problem with this is that you CANNOT immediately turn assets into currency without a central system like MeepShop that will buy anything. You are reliant on other players being willing to buy your assets in exchange for Meebles, and sadly, most players aren't interested in buying, only in selling.
There are bigger issues to be solved in the Meep economy than capping the maximum amount of currency a player can have. I like the fact that more people are thinking about the economy and offering suggestions, though, so keep them coming!
~ @MCRichHuey

This might be why basing it on Gold at first would be the best option. If it has some success the bank could maybe extend to other specific items as well like diamonds and iron. Obviously not too many items just for slight variation.

If your balance could be extended by owning a town or nation this will also encourange more towns to be built and for mayors too actually work hard at keeping the towns for the benefits. This could inadvertently also help increase player count as more towns should mean more residents.

le gooboy

good thinking, nice try.
although this isn't the best/ most effective idea, it is a good effort.

this wouldn't work very well because of the already-rich people.+another way to avoid this would be towns and alts. All this really does is force the richer to buy the items of the noobs even if they do not want to...

not only the reasons stated above, it would be extremely hard to code as well as to regulate.

sorry, but I am a -1... Thansk for the idea though!!!

Hornemans

How often do people do this? When I played, no one ever invested into gold. And Over a year ago, I had chest filled with diamonds and emeralds (40M meebles worth) but never had much gold, besides using gold blocks for designs.
~ @CaptaineAli

I guess you just weren't rich enough! I currently have 2 double chests of gold blocks and a 8 1/2 stacks of GOD APPLES. Not to mention all the gold blocks i got placed in my buildings and signs (probably another 4-5 stacks)! Im sure there are PLENTY of other people that have a lot of gold too!

jmelara

-1 this won't help at all, considering I have over 250 private alts gl that's 250 mil. Also I could store money in towns banks.... This would only cause headache. Plus as already said I have a lot of materials